we seem to be -- some of us, i don't want to include everybody, some of us seem to be looking down our noses at these insurgents and they don't seem to be big fans of the mainstream media. >> and i hate to see the mainstream media doing that because i certainly respect them. they're politics. their tactics have been very successful. the thing about the tea party that strikes me is it's very similar in particularly their fiscal conservative views to the perot movement. and this argument that they're bad for republicans doesn't wash as much with me because as least they're inside the republican party. the perot people were outside the party and much more damaging to republicans. >> craig, just briefly, what about this instant journalistic wisdom when these candidates, christine o'donnell being the latest, well, of course it hurts republicans because they're all going to lose in november, they're too extreme, it's one thing to win 30,000 votes in delaware, another thing to win in state election. we've been wrong all year on these races. could we -- >> sometimes we're wrong when we listen